Amazon’s founder, Jeff Bezos, isn’t a fan of the phrase “work-life balance.”

At an April 2018 event hosted by Insider’s parent company, Bezos said new Amazon employees shouldn’t view work and life as a balancing act. Instead, Bezos said it’s more productive to view them as two integrated parts.

“It actually is a circle,” Bezos said. “It’s not a balance.”

Bezos said his new hires should stop trying to find “balance” within their professional and personal lives since that implied a strict trade-off between the two. Instead, Bezos envisions a more holistic relationship between work and life outside the office.

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